Comments for Citizen Wausau http://citizenwausau.com A Site About Life in Wausau, Wisconsin Sat, 04 Jul 2009 23:12:50 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.1 Comment on A Cynical Community Goes Nowhere by mercutio http://citizenwausau.com/blog/2009/07/02/a-cynical-community-goes-nowhere/#comment-2781 mercutio Sat, 04 Jul 2009 22:05:49 +0000 http://citizenwausau.com/blog/2009/07/02/a-cynical-community-goes-nowhere/#comment-2781 Dino I just told you. Here is some proof for you: http://wausauteaparty.com/donors.html Deb Hadley is listed on their own web site as “donor”. I’ve heard their commercials of AM 55. They support hate in our home town. How you ask? Shall I get the quotes from AM 55 numerous radio show that promotes hate speech and their connection to all the right wing killings around the country. AM 55 just went to Fox News, here is some of what they say: Hannity of Fox News: “The Obama administration revealed its plan to go after gun owners”. “Welcome to the new world order.” Lou Dobbs: “A new assault on your freedom to buy and own guns” Glenn Beck: ‘This guy will take away guns…” “…this is what’s coming friends, depression and revolution” Other right wing “experts” talked about “heading to totalitarianism, fascism” and most shocking Fox News had their talking head state: ‘those crazies in Montana who say we are going to kill ATF agents because the UN is going to take over, well they’re beginning to have a case.” Shall I go get all the national interviews from Tea Parity’s – the ones where people are still calling Obama a Muslim (as if that would be bad) – a none citizen, etc? Next: Neo-fascism from Wikipedia: “Neo-fascism is a post-World War II ideology that includes significant elements of fascism.” “Neo-fascism usually includes nationalism, anti-immigration policies or, where relevant, nativism (see definition), anti-communism, and opposition to the parliamentary system and liberal democracy.” Do I really need to go into more spacifics on local Nationalism, Nativism, Anti-immigration, and opposition of liberal democracies? Neo-fascism is growing around the world. Italy the Mayor of Rome Seig Heil’s for god sake. Russia they put out videos of immigrant beatings. In Iraq there are swastikas graffiti on the walls for the first time ever right after the US occupation started. Violence against Hispanics has increased 42% America. I will Google all this for you if you don’t want to take my word for it. What more proof are you looking for? What more dots should I connect? This has gotten off topic. To bring it back in. Again: 1 – It is through rose colored glasses to think that people in leadership positions are always in it for some higher good. This system is designed to give cover for powerful people to be in government – often including a lot of personal gain. And I reject the idea that just because someone is “committed to” their “ideas” that in itself is good. 2 - If those in power do not reject the neo-fascist elements of the organization they belong to and actually financially support it, then there is no place to go to in a civil debate. They need to be scrutinized, watched and hopefully pressured to either be more civil or leave said positions. No one is doing that locally. Dino I just told you. Here is some proof for you:

http://wausauteaparty.com/donors.html

Deb Hadley is listed on their own web site as “donor”. I’ve heard their commercials of AM 55. They support hate in our home town. How you ask?

Shall I get the quotes from AM 55 numerous radio show that promotes hate speech and their connection to all the right wing killings around the country.

AM 55 just went to Fox News, here is some of what they say:
Hannity of Fox News: “The Obama administration revealed its plan to go after gun owners”. “Welcome to the new world order.”
Lou Dobbs: “A new assault on your freedom to buy and own guns”
Glenn Beck: ‘This guy will take away guns…” “…this is what’s coming friends, depression and revolution”
Other right wing “experts” talked about “heading to totalitarianism, fascism” and most shocking Fox News had their talking head state: ‘those crazies in Montana who say we are going to kill ATF agents because the UN is going to take over, well they’re beginning to have a case.”

Shall I go get all the national interviews from Tea Parity’s – the ones where people are still calling Obama a Muslim (as if that would be bad) – a none citizen, etc?

Next:

Neo-fascism from Wikipedia:

“Neo-fascism is a post-World War II ideology that includes significant elements of fascism.” “Neo-fascism usually includes nationalism, anti-immigration policies or, where relevant, nativism (see definition), anti-communism, and opposition to the parliamentary system and liberal democracy.”

Do I really need to go into more spacifics on local Nationalism, Nativism, Anti-immigration, and opposition of liberal democracies?

Neo-fascism is growing around the world. Italy the Mayor of Rome Seig Heil’s for god sake. Russia they put out videos of immigrant beatings. In Iraq there are swastikas graffiti on the walls for the first time ever right after the US occupation started. Violence against Hispanics has increased 42% America.
I will Google all this for you if you don’t want to take my word for it.

What more proof are you looking for? What more dots should I connect?

This has gotten off topic. To bring it back in. Again:

1 – It is through rose colored glasses to think that people in leadership positions are always in it for some higher good. This system is designed to give cover for powerful people to be in government – often including a lot of personal gain. And I reject the idea that just because someone is “committed to” their “ideas” that in itself is good.

2 - If those in power do not reject the neo-fascist elements of the organization they belong to and actually financially support it, then there is no place to go to in a civil debate. They need to be scrutinized, watched and hopefully pressured to either be more civil or leave said positions. No one is doing that locally.

]]> Comment on A Cynical Community Goes Nowhere by Dino Corvino http://citizenwausau.com/blog/2009/07/02/a-cynical-community-goes-nowhere/#comment-2780 Dino Corvino Sat, 04 Jul 2009 20:54:13 +0000 http://citizenwausau.com/blog/2009/07/02/a-cynical-community-goes-nowhere/#comment-2780 Again Mike, you choose to do the same thing you decry others of doing...you offer nothing in the way of evidence. You claim of neo fascism, those are just words. Who is a neo fascist? Why? SHOW ME. Not one to psychoanalyze, but your broad spectrum theory as an anarchist is flavoring this commenting to the point where you are not giving me anything save for bullet points. What cause is NOT JUST? Who believes and acts in causes that are NOT JUST? All government? What side supports fear mongering? How can you show me fear mongering? What city council members are supporting neo fascists? What I am saying Mike is Show Me something. Prove something. Again Mike, you choose to do the same thing you decry others of doing…you offer nothing in the way of evidence. You claim of neo fascism, those are just words.

Who is a neo fascist? Why? SHOW ME.

Not one to psychoanalyze, but your broad spectrum theory as an anarchist is flavoring this commenting to the point where you are not giving me anything save for bullet points.

What cause is NOT JUST? Who believes and acts in causes that are NOT JUST?

All government?

What side supports fear mongering? How can you show me fear mongering?

What city council members are supporting neo fascists?

What I am saying Mike is Show Me something. Prove something.

]]> Comment on Some Questions Prior to Watching Fireworks by Dino Corvino http://citizenwausau.com/blog/2009/07/03/some-questions-prior-to-watching-fireworks/#comment-2779 Dino Corvino Sat, 04 Jul 2009 18:38:11 +0000 http://citizenwausau.com/blog/2009/07/03/some-questions-prior-to-watching-fireworks/#comment-2779 The classification of main man, is not one in the solo area. It is in in fact possible to have many main men. The classification of main man, is not one in the solo area. It is in in fact possible to have many main men.

]]> Comment on A Cynical Community Goes Nowhere by mercutio http://citizenwausau.com/blog/2009/07/02/a-cynical-community-goes-nowhere/#comment-2778 mercutio Sat, 04 Jul 2009 14:34:14 +0000 http://citizenwausau.com/blog/2009/07/02/a-cynical-community-goes-nowhere/#comment-2778 OK then I think I may still have it on my digital recorder when the organizer of the last Tea Party thanked on stage Hadley Office Supply for helping out that the event. Sorry if I am wondering off the target of this post. My real point of your post is two fold: 1 – There can be no real common ground when one side of a debate supports fear mongering often racist points of view. If politicians support such organizations and don’t publicly disown the neo-fascist elements in them and stop finically supporting them (these elements that are killing people form women’s health providers, security guards at holocaust museums to Pittsburg Police officers) then where do we go? Yes that implies that I see a link between financially supporting the Tea Party as they are often run now, financially supporting AM 55 and all its hate speech and the above deaths & marginalizing of the “other”. 2 - I think it is dubious at best that all local politicians are always in it for the greater good. This system is designed for powerful people to manipulate, with the fact that the more money you have the better your chances of being in control. This system gives a great cover for many to use for what ends up often being personal gain. And, again, I don’t care how dedicated people are to causes if the cause is not just. That’s my point Dino. Thanks again and I’ll try not to muddy it up. I think your attempt is a noble one. OK then

I think I may still have it on my digital recorder when the organizer of the last Tea Party thanked on stage Hadley Office Supply for helping out that the event.

Sorry if I am wondering off the target of this post. My real point of your post is two fold:

1 – There can be no real common ground when one side of a debate supports fear mongering often racist points of view. If politicians support such organizations and don’t publicly disown the neo-fascist elements in them and stop finically supporting them (these elements that are killing people form women’s health providers, security guards at holocaust museums to Pittsburg Police officers) then where do we go?
Yes that implies that I see a link between financially supporting the Tea Party as they are often run now, financially supporting AM 55 and all its hate speech and the above deaths & marginalizing of the “other”.

2 - I think it is dubious at best that all local politicians are always in it for the greater good. This system is designed for powerful people to manipulate, with the fact that the more money you have the better your chances of being in control. This system gives a great cover for many to use for what ends up often being personal gain. And, again, I don’t care how dedicated people are to causes if the cause is not just.

That’s my point Dino. Thanks again and I’ll try not to muddy it up. I think your attempt is a noble one.

]]> Comment on Some Questions Prior to Watching Fireworks by Boogenstein http://citizenwausau.com/blog/2009/07/03/some-questions-prior-to-watching-fireworks/#comment-2777 Boogenstein Sat, 04 Jul 2009 14:18:34 +0000 http://citizenwausau.com/blog/2009/07/03/some-questions-prior-to-watching-fireworks/#comment-2777 1. I once took an 8 week jaunt around the World. 1st stop was Brunei (in Borneo) for nearly 2 weeks. That was followed by Hong Kong, Hawaii and San Francisco ending up with a couple of weeks in Baltimore before heading back to England. 2. We are growing Black Raspberries, Sweet Corn and various varieties of Peppers. 3. No, but I have them anyway. They come in handy fro getting bits of steak or chicken out from your teeth when there are no toothpicks around! 4. Got no laptop so have no need. 5. Dyson Animal. It totally sucks! Having had a Dyson for a few years, we would not even consider anything else presently available. Sometimes the best tool for the job costs a little more. 6. Not worried, life is too short. 7. I would like to know more about carpentry but if I got good at it would guys start getting weird crushes on me? 8. In this case you are right to be concerned. 9. I haven't given any thought to it. 1. I once took an 8 week jaunt around the World. 1st stop was Brunei (in Borneo) for nearly 2 weeks. That was followed by Hong Kong, Hawaii and San Francisco ending up with a couple of weeks in Baltimore before heading back to England.

2. We are growing Black Raspberries, Sweet Corn and various varieties of Peppers.

3. No, but I have them anyway. They come in handy fro getting bits of steak or chicken out from your teeth when there are no toothpicks around!

4. Got no laptop so have no need.

5. Dyson Animal. It totally sucks! Having had a Dyson for a few years, we would not even consider anything else presently available. Sometimes the best tool for the job costs a little more.

6. Not worried, life is too short.

7. I would like to know more about carpentry but if I got good at it would guys start getting weird crushes on me?

8. In this case you are right to be concerned.

9. I haven’t given any thought to it.

]]> Comment on Some Questions Prior to Watching Fireworks by matthew http://citizenwausau.com/blog/2009/07/03/some-questions-prior-to-watching-fireworks/#comment-2776 matthew Sat, 04 Jul 2009 13:21:16 +0000 http://citizenwausau.com/blog/2009/07/03/some-questions-prior-to-watching-fireworks/#comment-2776 Is Rob Mentzer or Adrian your main man? Can you have more than one? Is Rob Mentzer or Adrian your main man? Can you have more than one?

]]> Comment on A Cynical Community Goes Nowhere by Dino Corvino http://citizenwausau.com/blog/2009/07/02/a-cynical-community-goes-nowhere/#comment-2775 Dino Corvino Sat, 04 Jul 2009 06:01:17 +0000 http://citizenwausau.com/blog/2009/07/02/a-cynical-community-goes-nowhere/#comment-2775 Your claims of this or that, while interesting, I think miss the direction of the post. But, if you want to make a claim like you do, then the claim is strengthened by being as specific as possible. You have your own blog, and I encourage you to do the opposite of what you criticize the right for doing, broad non evidence based claims. If you want to say this or that, show the world the evidence for this or that. Your claims of this or that, while interesting, I think miss the direction of the post. But, if you want to make a claim like you do, then the claim is strengthened by being as specific as possible.

You have your own blog, and I encourage you to do the opposite of what you criticize the right for doing, broad non evidence based claims.

If you want to say this or that, show the world the evidence for this or that.

]]> Comment on A Cynical Community Goes Nowhere by mercutio http://citizenwausau.com/blog/2009/07/02/a-cynical-community-goes-nowhere/#comment-2774 mercutio Sat, 04 Jul 2009 05:43:02 +0000 http://citizenwausau.com/blog/2009/07/02/a-cynical-community-goes-nowhere/#comment-2774 I was trying to save specific finger pointing while still making my point. If you want me to quote the Tea Party people about which County Board member help pay for the last tea party, I will. However, I thought it not necessary. Glad to do it if you want me to mention the business here on this site. Keep up the good work. I was trying to save specific finger pointing while still making my point. If you want me to quote the Tea Party people about which County Board member help pay for the last tea party, I will. However, I thought it not necessary. Glad to do it if you want me to mention the business here on this site.
Keep up the good work.

]]> Comment on A Cynical Community Goes Nowhere by Dino Corvino http://citizenwausau.com/blog/2009/07/02/a-cynical-community-goes-nowhere/#comment-2773 Dino Corvino Sat, 04 Jul 2009 05:05:35 +0000 http://citizenwausau.com/blog/2009/07/02/a-cynical-community-goes-nowhere/#comment-2773 Mike, Thanks for your comment. I want to caution you on one thing though...the broad brush with which you paint is also the brush that you decry. You make tenuous connections, leaps of intellectual faith, while presenting no evidence. If you want to prove to me this or that, show me this or that. To go from the racist Tea Party idea, to 550 Am, to Chris Conley, to republicans, to the city council of wausau wisconsin is a bit much. It lacks connective tissue. You have decryd the right for doing that very thing, and you hear them do it everyday. The broad generalization, the lack of evidence, the belief based on nothing...be careful my friend. When one believes in a conspiracy, it is easy to find evidence of it everywhere. Mike,

Thanks for your comment. I want to caution you on one thing though…the broad brush with which you paint is also the brush that you decry.

You make tenuous connections, leaps of intellectual faith, while presenting no evidence.

If you want to prove to me this or that, show me this or that.

To go from the racist Tea Party idea, to 550 Am, to Chris Conley, to republicans, to the city council of wausau wisconsin is a bit much. It lacks connective tissue.

You have decryd the right for doing that very thing, and you hear them do it everyday. The broad generalization, the lack of evidence, the belief based on nothing…be careful my friend.

When one believes in a conspiracy, it is easy to find evidence of it everywhere.

]]> Comment on Five Questions Composed in a Rowboat by Mohawk Matt http://citizenwausau.com/blog/2009/06/12/five-questions-composed-in-a-rowboat/#comment-2772 Mohawk Matt Fri, 03 Jul 2009 19:33:11 +0000 http://citizenwausau.com/blog/2009/06/12/five-questions-composed-in-a-rowboat/#comment-2772 Seems there are plenty of tools here at citizen wausau. Seems there are plenty of tools here at citizen wausau.

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